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Summit Communications:
You have been the Assistant Secretary of
State for African affairs, and you have
worked closely with many African countries
on development and economic issues. Right
now you are the Chairman of one of the largest
companies in Sierra Leone. How would you
characterize Sierra Leone's economic and
political progress?
Walter Kansteiner: Through some remarkable
internal transformation and with help from
the international community Sierra Leone
has moved from the depths of a savage and
brutal civil war to become a country full
of hope and a rising star on the continent.
It is still, in the grand scheme of things,
early days. But the future for Sierra Leone
is looking very good.
Summit Communications:
Especially in the mining sector that your
company is involved in.
Walter Kansteiner: The mineral sector is
very promising. The mineral sector and natural
resources extraction have always played
a big role in Sierra Leone's economy, and
for the next few decades will probably continue
to do so.
Summit Communications:
TRG is an excellent example of how public-private
partnerships can work in Africa. President
Kabbah cited TRG as one of the best examples
of public-private partnerships coming together.
TRG partially state owned, you receive tons
of investment from the international community
by raising money on the AIM. What are your
thoughts on where the company is heading
in regards to SL natural resources industry?
Walter Kansteiner: Before the closure of
the mine in 1995, it was the country's largest
hard currency earner, as well as the largest
employer. Our company looks forward to taking
on that very vital role as a leading industrial
base. The government is also very keen to
see this industry working successfully.
It is a public-private partnership. Everyone
is pulling in the same direction because
we all are trying to achieve the same objective
of solid, environmentally-conscious, community
based economic development. It is slowly
happening, and it is very exciting. The
Board is going to have a meeting at the
mine site in the early half of 2006. It
is exciting for the board members to get
down there and see what is happening. We
plan to commission Dredge One in the next
couple of months and, at our bauxite mine,
production will be underway in the next
few weeks, as planned.
Summit Communications:
With the two operations next to each other,
are you planning to add value to the exports
before they make it out to sea?
Walter Kansteiner: Well with bauxite, we
will probably need to do some basic sifting.
The rutile is more complicated, in the sense
that it is wet slurry that goes into a dry
electro magnetic capability that pulls up
the zircon and some of the other minerals.
So that extra added value is taking place
on the rutile side. On the bauxite mine
it's pretty straightforward.
Eventually we hope to do more of that.
Although some of the rutile goes into industries
that are highly technical, such as the aerospace
industry, for instance, and that kind of
processing is more likely to take place
in the US, Canada and Europe, there are
other uses for rutile, like paint, that
need less technical transformation. It's
a possibility for the future, but the company
has no concrete plans right now.
Summit Communications:
In the first quarter of next year, TRG is
planning to restart its operations, bringing
investment and jobs into the country. At
one time before the conflict, up to 1800
people were employed by TRG. You have also
made a massive investment in infrastructure
and port development. What opportunities
are you creating for the Sierra Leonean
people?
Walter Kansteiner: It's already happening.
The number of employees is increasing, and
as production gets under way, that upswing
will continue. The refurbishment of things
like barges and ports and basic infrastructure
development is great for the company and
great for the country. Everybody needs it,
and everybody wins. We are planning to set
up a TRG foundation to assist with healthcare,
education and community agriculture.
Summit Communications:
Regarding the environmental footprint, in
past speeches you have underscored the need
to conserve Africa's environment. You have
said that people cannot prosper when air
is not fit to breathe, water isn't available,
and farms and forests have turned to dust.
Can you share some insights on how TRG wants
to reduce its footprint on the environment?
Walter Kansteiner: Fortunately, this particular
ore body is virtually on the surface so
the environmental impact is minimal. It
is a blessing that God gave us a resource
that we can extract at very little cost
to the ecosystem and to the environment.
In fact, after mining, you are left with
these very shallow lagoons that are terrific
for aquaculture and fisheries. We are very
proud of the low impact on the environment.
It is something we are fully committed to
in all our activities from where we put
the roads, to the mining process itself.
Our environmental impact studies are world
class.
Summit Communications:
Commenting on the re-opening, President
Kabbah, said: "This project is a shining
example of real sustainable investment which
has the potential to confer benefits on
a generation of Sierra Leoneans." The
government also sponsored the 10-year mining
lease. How would you characterize your relationship
with the government?
Walter Kansteiner: They have been wonderful.
Firstly, the government is an equity shareholder
so we are business partners. We are all
in this thing together and because of this
they have been very reasonable in terms
of tax codes, royalties and import-export
fees. Everything has been negotiated and
it's all very fair. We feel that they have
bent over backwards to provide us with a
very good business climate.
Summit Communications:
Is it fair to say that you feel comfortable
with the business climate in the country?
Walter Kansteiner: Well, the ultimate vote
of confidence in a sovereign country is
foreign direct investment in fixed capital
assets. You can't pick up and take away
the kind of investments that we are making.
We will spend a lot of money in Sierra Leone
because we believe in the country.
Building a dredge of the size that we are
building is very expensive and time consuming.
We are very bullish on Sierra Leone and
believe that this country will remain stable
and this ore body is going to produce very
good returns for all the shareholders, including
Sierra Leone. A construction team is there
finishing up dredge one and though we are
still several months away from commissioning
the second dredge, it will be a major step.
Summit Communications:
And have you encountered any problems with
corruption?
Walter Kansteiner: In our experience, corruption
has not been a problem. We have had a very
positive experience.
Summit Communications:
And what's next for TRG? Do you plan to
expand operations to other parts of Africa?
Walter Kansteiner: For now, TRG is involved
in rutile and bauxite and only in Sierra
Leone. Does that mean that these are the
only two projects that this company is ever
going to be involved in? No, we are entrepreneurial
and we are interested in natural resource
extraction all through the continent but
first we have to make this work. We are
confident that we can. The way rutile and
titanium pricing is right now, our economic
models look very good.
Summit Communications:
You have been a US Government Specialist
on Africa. You've seen a lot of Developments
in Africa, like the G8 taking a first step
towards canceling 55 billion in African
Debt this year. Democracy and good governance
are being strengthening in Sierra Leone,
and the second multi-party elections since
the end of the war will take place in 2007.
What role do you think the United States
can play in helping Africa, and Sierra Leone,
to develop and make the changes that are
fundamentally necessary?
Walter Kansteiner: What the US government
can and does do, is to encourage governments
to have a receptive attitude towards foreign
direct investment. That doesn't mean that
developmental assistance and government-to-government
aid isn't important. It is important and
often that aid can get a government or a
country to where it is more attractive for
the private sector to invest but ultimately
investment is the long-term solution. As
a government official, as someone that is
trying to encourage and facilitate investment
in developing countries, your role is to
get the government to understand why it's
important to have the rule of law, private
property rights and the basic legal framework
and capitalist infrastructure needed for
investment to take place. That doesn't just
happen - it takes time and effort to build
that awareness and put in place the building
blocks for business. What does a mining
concession look like? How many years is
it good for? Can other people use it? Is
it exclusive? These questions have to be
answered in a clear and definitive way before
someone is going to invest in a country.
That is what governments can do. Help each
other build the infrastructure that makes
it attractive for foreign private companies
to come invest.
Summit Communications:
Mr. Kansteiner, what message would you send
to the potential investors in Sierra Leone
reading this interview?
Walter Kansteiner: If we are crazy enough
to do this, why don't you come in! We believe
in Sierra Leone and what we are doing here.
We encourage you to take a look for yourselves;
you will probably come to the same conclusions.
Summit Communications:
Is there anything else you want to highlight
about Sierra Leone, your experiences there,
TRG, what it means?
Walter Kansteiner: I think it is important
to remember that Sierra Leone is part of
a region and that, as a region, West Africa
seems to be putting its house in order.
Clearly, Liberia is heading in the right
direction. Liberia is very different today
compared to Liberia three years ago. Regional
stability does matter and the good news
for Sierra Leone is that the neighborhood
is becoming increasingly stable, increasingly
democratic and attracting increasing amounts
of foreign investment inflows. At the same
time, it is important to recognize that
they are all separate, sovereign and individual
countries. Investors, Americans particularly,
have a tendency to lump all these countries
together but you have to understand that
these are distinct individual countries.
Summit Communications:
In August, TRG raised $74mln when it listed
on the London Stock Exchange, marking a
new era from the company. Were you pleased
with how it went?
Walter Kansteiner: We are very happy with
the IPO. We had a good combination of North
American and European investors, and a wide-range
of institutions. A publicly traded company
is different. As a publicly traded company,
TRG must take on the key responsibilities
that flow from that listing.
Summit Communications:
One last question for you on bilateral relations
between Sierra Leone and the US. You are
an Africa Specialist, you have been in business,
and soon as part of the largest investment
in the country, you will begin exports to
the US amongst other places. What is your
outlook, your view on the relationship?
Walter Kansteiner:
I think the bilateral relationship is very
good. Most people in the US government that
focus on Sierra Leone and West Africa think
of the country as a place that has made
tremendous progress in a relatively short
period of time. Sierra Leone deserves the
assistance, attention and help that it gets.
Because of the historical ties between the
two countries, the British government has
been terrific. Tony Blair has been a big
supporter. You can't underplay the UK's
role. Even from a military point of view,
what they did was fantastic. General David
Richards, the British General who masterminded
the British military presence in Sierra
Leone, is an absolute hero. There should
be a General Richards Boulevard in Freetown.
This guy was very brave and insightful.
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